Note: contains a quoted email exchange constituting "fair use" under 17USC107 )
In response to NMSR's "critique" of Galen Knight's presentation:
Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 02:37:14 -0600 (MDT)[Note: the dung beetle would lose its bet, since I am the oldest of five siblings. Apparantly, the demonstrated merit of my opinions has no bearing on the discussion, and only those fortunate beings the dung beetle "respects" hold valid opinions for it, regardless of merit... K.D.]
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Letters to NMSR
I see the reports of your death were highly exaggerated, must have been some other Dave Thomas...
I just happened upon the "Speakers" section of the NMSR website while performing a Google search on the keyword "vitalethine". I found many of the remarks Harry M. Murphy made concerning Dr. Knight's April talk to be indicative of an agenda that belies his claim to "honest criticism", particularly in light of his performance during the event. I noticed the sudden squirming in his seat and the emotional tone he demonstrated in his decidedly "ad hominem" attack of Knight's use of the term "allopath". The coincidence of Google producing six websites containing negative connotations became equally "ad hominem" when you used it as justification for furthering a clearly false perception.
Let's move on, shall we? Harry next presents us with the run-on term "anti-establishment practitioners" in reference to what I have to assume are licensed and accredited health practitioners he has some personal beef with, due perhaps to his background in "nuclear radiation dosimetry". This reveals what could be construed as a hysteria on Harry's part far in excess of that attributed to Knight's defense against a rather absurd, nitpicking, and intemperate "review" that does little to reinforce the proclaimed nature of your club.
Wait, there's more. Harry claims that Knight was "disparaging" mainstream physicians, when I can say with the utmost confidence as an eyewitness, that I detected no sense of epithet, hint of sarcasm, or even sneering, when Knight made the reference to denote the basic definition of allopath, a "mainstream physician". Clearly, Harry has some unresolved issues that might be more appropriately addressed in a more therapeutic environment.
Moving on, perhaps Harry would like to explain to this witness his apparent lack of interest in the NIOSH Handbook Dr. Knight offered as an example of the known hazards Nickel presents to humans. Presumably Harry, with his 30 years experience radiating things, knows something those upstarts over at NIOSH don't. For the rest of us, a quick look at the current NIOSH status of Nickel might be informative:
http://www.cdc.gov/niosh/npg/npgd0445.html
Well! How DARE a published Ph.D. biochemist, with extensive background in endocrinology, be so bold as to suggest women might be at risk from underwire bras! As for your repeat performance regarding the one-sided history of Nickel you provided, along with some guy's anecdotal evidence, let's just say your reputation for thoroughness is less than impressive.
That Harry must rely on the notorious likes of Quackwatch to prop up his "ad hoc" opinions is drizzle on the crumbcake, a tasty treat for those with a sweet tooth for comfortable thinking, but sadly lacking in adequate nutrition nonetheless. Pray tell, Mr. Thomas, what "it" was it that Harry hit on the nose? Methinks "it" was a horse of a different color than you would have us believe, a horse manned by Harry up front, with you, ever faithful, bringing up the rear.
Conclusion: In future, I shall forego your little cheap-trick pony shows, as I require far more in the way of sustenance than the coffee and doughnuts you seem so satisfied with...
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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 09:21:45 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
Hi there. What a surprise, getting a letter from Galen Knight's bulldog.
I'll be happy to post your letter on the NMSR website, but I don't plan to until Galen posts our critique on his website, as he said he would do once upon a time. Since he hedged last time we discussed this, however, it'll probably be a long wait.
Cheers,
Dave Thomas
P.S. The Niosh page was interesting, but it had a lot more about inhaled nickel than, say, exposure from Stainless Steel. Perhaps I missed the part about the underwire bras. ;)
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 11:04:37 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
"AFTER TWO MEETINGS AT UNM'S REGENER HALL, WE ARE MOVING AGAIN!!"
Hmm...
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Dave Thomas wrote:
:I'll be happy to post your letter on the NMSR website, but I don't plan to
Speaks volumes about your character, or lack thereof... ;^]
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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 11:32:24 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
So what does the fact we didn't like the parking situation at UNM's Regener Hall have to do with the price of beans in China? Hmmm...
And, if not publishing your letter "speaks volumes about our character," then doesn't Galen's refusal to publish NMSR's critiques, after he said this was routine, speak volumes about *his* character?
Thanks for ratifying my world!
Cheers, Dave Thomas
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Date: Wed, 7 Aug 2002 17:33:24 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Dave Thomas wrote:
:So what does the fact we didn't like the parking situation at UNM's Regener
:Hall have to do with the price of beans in China? Hmmm...
The meeting I attended took place at the law library, as I recall...
:And, if not publishing your letter "speaks volumes about our character,"
:then doesn't Galen's refusal to publish NMSR's critiques, after he said
:this was routine, speak volumes about *his* character?
Whatever agreement you may have with Galen has nothing to do with myself and my own opinions, despite your erroneous assumptions. I think it is very intersting that you are perfectly willing to post other's letters, but not my own. Apparently I don't deserve the same consideration you afford the creationists, the chemtrail proponents, and the like. Clearly, you do not wish people who see through your charade to participate in your clubhouse. As I said before, that's fine with me, there isn't anything going on there that warrants my further attention...
:Thanks for ratifying my world!
You are welcome, to it... ;^]
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Date: Wed, 07 Aug 2002 17:41:55 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
>The meeting I attended took place at the law library, as I recall...
And the point is....?
Perhaps you should change your Sig from a bicycle rider to a dodgeball player. You've got some expertise at dodging questions, obviously...
Cheers, Dave Thomas
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Date: Fri, 9 Aug 2002 11:07:34 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
On Wed, 7 Aug 2002, Dave Thomas wrote:
:>The meeting I attended took place at the law library, as I recall...
:And the point is....?
It's curious how often such random coincidence forms persistent patterns, but I have no scientific conclusions for you, merely my opinions to give or hold, as I see fit.
In answer to your "question", Galen Knight's character is hardly compromised by your sophomoric evasion. Persist in your folly, perhaps you will become wise... ;^]
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Date: Fri, 09 Aug 2002 17:43:35 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
On the subject of where NMSR holds meetings, you've written:
KD>"AFTER TWO MEETINGS AT UNM'S REGENER HALL, WE ARE MOVING AGAIN!!"
(quoted from NMSR's Meetings page)
KD>
KD>Hmm...
I wrote back:
DT>So what does the fact we didn't like the parking situation at UNM's Regener Hall have to do
DT>with the price of beans in China? Hmmm...
You responded:
KD>The meeting I attended took place at the law library, as I recall...
I wrote back:
DT>And the point is....?
Your response:
KD>It's curious how often such random coincidence forms persistent patterns,
KD>but I have no scientific conclusions for you, merely my opinions to give or
KD>hold, as I see fit.
I'm curious about why you think our changing meeting locations was significant.
Why don't you stop dropping overly subtle hints, and just say what's on your mind? So far, I have no idea what your point is in this regard, or why you seem to think the location where NMSR now meets has anything to do with Galen Knight.
Perhaps you've been reading too many conspiracy books? ;)
Cheers,
Dave Thomas
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Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 17:32:17 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
On Fri, 9 Aug 2002, Dave Thomas wrote:
:Why don't you stop dropping overly subtle hints, and just say what's on
:your mind? So far, I have no idea what your point is in this regard, or
:why you seem to think the location where NMSR now meets has anything to do
:with Galen Knight.
I recall using the phrase "random coincidence".
:Perhaps you've been reading too many conspiracy books? ;)
It is interesting that you are the one who has brought up the subject of conspiracy, demonstrating once again the insincere and questionable motivation that fuels your persistence. I have formed my own opinion about you, doubly reinforced by your repeated dissembling. My interest in communicating with you has now been served. Have a nice life...
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 10:06:07 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: Letters to NMSR
I'm relieved that your interest in communication with me has abated. That suits me just fine. I have no patience for individuals who toss out dark hints while being too timid to just say what their point is.
Have a nice life, and don't forget: when the human turns on the light, it's time to scurry to a dark place.
Dave Thomas
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:03:14 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Periplaneta Americana <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: inopportune advice
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Dave Thomas wrote:
:I'm relieved that your interest in communication with me has abated.
Now that's the first hint of sincerity I have seen thus far!
:Have a nice life, and don't forget: when the human turns on the light, it's
:time to scurry to a dark place.
That may work for a you, but it's not my style... ;^]
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Date: Mon, 12 Aug 2002 16:59:10 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: inopportune advice
Au Contraire, Mr. Periplaneta!
It most certainly IS your style.
Remember, YOU are the one tossing out vague hints that NMSR's move away from UNM is significant. And, YOU are the one who refuses to explain the relevance of these meandering pontifications.
I started out thinking Mus musculus, but you're right, Periplaneta Americana is a much better match for your behavior.
Try not to hurt yourself as you're scurrying about.
Dave Thomas
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 12:52:26 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Euoniticellus Intermedius <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: the shoe fits, wear it
On Mon, 12 Aug 2002, Dave Thomas wrote:
:Au Contraire, Mr. Periplaneta!
Hmm, talking to yourself, not a good sign, you should join Harry in a search for competent professional help...
:Remember, YOU are the one tossing out vague hints that NMSR's move away
:from UNM is significant. And, YOU are the one who refuses to explain the
:relevance of these meandering pontifications.
Non non, mon sewer, my purpose in communicating with you was simply to reveal the duplicity and insincerity of the "review" and commentary concerning Galen Knight's presentation. I am pleased with the result...
:Try not to hurt yourself as you're scurrying about.
Thanks for your concern, but it is too little, too late. Anyway, as I recall, I'm noticeably larger than you. If you wish to suppose I am a cockroach, perhaps I should revise my opinion of you to reflect this obvious difference in "stature", not to mention feeding habits. Henceforth, I shall liken you to the dung beetle, Euoniticellus intermedius... ;^]
p.s. I have noted another coincidence, your initials match those of the phrase "delirium tremens"...
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Date: Tue, 13 Aug 2002 18:24:19 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: the shoe fits, wear it
Why are you still writing?
Perhaps you are confusing me with someone who gives a shit what you think?
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:16:40 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Euoniticellus intermedius <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
Bcc: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: methinks thou protest too much
On Tue, 13 Aug 2002, Dave Thomas wrote:
:Why are you still writing?
:Perhaps you are confusing me with someone who gives a shit what you think?
Your actions belie your words, mon sewer. True to form, you have kept the dung ball rolling. I'm simply curious where you are going with it. I have already demonstrated that you and Harry are prejudiced louts poorly equipped to offer actual scientific proof that Galen Knight's work and opinions are not legitimate. Suffice it to say, I have found his ideas to be quite productive in my own quest for health, so I have little reason to think that naysayers offering only intellectual bigotry have anything important to say upon the subject.
It should be obvious from my initial communication with you that I consider the abject tripe you published online to be significant of nothing other than NMSR's "oafishill" distaste for people who are actually making a difference in this "best of all possible worlds" that technocracy has created. You have made it perfectly clear that you are too craven and egocentric to publish my pertinent commentary casting doubt upon the sincerity and objectivity of your motives and organization.
If you wish to keep digging yourself deeper into your precious dungheap, feel free. I am ever attentive to your native tendancies and the concomitant "human" interest that has always accompanied such drama, ever since the Greeks began toying with the idea that it was a good thing to climb up into one's head and kick away the ladder. Since I have receded, in your "ass-toot" estimation, from canine, past insect, to presumably beneath your notice, am I to presume there will be no more emissions from your august quarter? ;^]
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Date: Wed, 14 Aug 2002 15:54:29 -0600
From: Dave Thomas <nmsrdave@swcp.com>
To: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
Subject: Re: methinks thou protest too much
Because I am a generous man, and because it's obvious you are an anal retentive annoyance who is obsessive/compulsive about "winning" this exchange, I'm going to let you have the Last Word. (I'd bet you were an only child, and spoiled at that, because you seem to think people should heed your opinions because they come from you, independent of any *merit* these opinions may have.)
Suffice it to say, your ad hominems, fuzzy thinking, and blatant question-dodging have only reinforced my poor opinion of you, and by extension, Galen Knight.
I was wrong about thinking you were "Galen Knight's Bulldog," however. I'll forever remember you fondly as "Galen Knight's chihuahua."
So, feel free to blast away with as many "last words" as you like. It won't bother me a bit, because, as I said, I don't give a shit what you think.
(I only care about the opinions of people I respect).
Dave Thomas
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--Date: Thu, 15 Aug 2002 20:58:54 -0600 (MDT)
From: Kristofer Dale <barefoot@nmia.com>
To: Galen Knight <galenvtp@highfiber.com>
Subject: Re: the "Last Word"
Here's "DT"s reply, he's got nothing left but vituperation, so I'm not going to avail myself of his "generosity". This nimrod doesn't even see the additional irony present in his last (parenthetical) statement... ;^]
On Wed, 14 Aug 2002, Euoniticellus intermedius wrote:
: Because I am a generous man, [etc.]
UPDATE 12/15/03: Despite assurances to the contrary, the dung beetle can't help but keep the ball rolling... ;^]